Armfield images

From: Terry Martin (muscadinelee@att.net) To: jrothman@ua.edu

Date: Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:44 AM CDT

Hi, Josh,

John Adams and Susan Snow have responded very positively about the Armfield images, so that is also a good thing that Beersheba connections feel that way.

I'm not sure what a next step might be, but I like your idea of writing something up about the new images of John and Martha. The writing would have authority if you are the one to do it and publish it. Kenneth is suggesting I write something for the Sumner County Historical Society newsletter on them, which I'm willing to do as an aside.

Let me know what your current thinking is.

Regards,

Terry

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Armfield photo; everyone agrees!

From: Terry Martin (muscadinelee@att.net)

To:           jrothman@ua.edu; rhinescottage@gmail.com; lynhoyt@yahoo.com; lynhoyt@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 11:05 AM CDT

Kenneth, Josh, Lyn,

Kenneth's email back to me got misplaced in the ethernet somehow, but he and his friend who he likes to double check with for identifying are both convinced it's Armfield. Kenneth has no doubt. Joshua and Lyn both seem convinced it's Armfield. I had put the two images side by side on my personal Facebook page, and about twelve out of fourteen think they are the same man.

Kenneth believes the two images of Armfield were taken about 15 to 17 years apart. He thinks the new one taken by Saltsman was made between 1865 and 1867. The earlier one he says was originally a daguerreotype from late 1840s, but he does not know who has the original; all the ones we see, of course, are copies of the daguerreotype.

The new one of Martha Armfield is in my possession.

The new one of John Armfield is in my uncle's possession in Nannie's album. I have temporarily borrowed it from him again.

I don't know what other experts need to have a look, because who else better knows than us, but if there are other experts to send these to, then do. For now I've deleted the images from Facebook

---Terry

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I have yet another potential image of John Armfield.

From: Terry Martin (muscadinelee@att.net)

To:           rhinescottage@gmail.com; jrothman@ua.edu; lynhoyt@yahoo.com; lynhoyt@gmail.com Date: Monday, April 15, 2024 at 11:16 PM CDT

Y'all are going to accuse me of being the boy who cried wolf.

In any event, this unlabeled image is next to an image of Dr. John Washington Franklin in Nannie and Edward's photo album. You could say that if this is Armfield, the two are positioned in the album to, in a way, represent Edward Franklin's two fathers: his actual father, Dr. Franklin, and the father-figure he lived with, Armfield. In addition to the fact we know that Dr. J. W. Franklin and Armfield were good friends and that Dr. J. W. Franklin was Armfield's executor to his estate, I believe?

This image is by T. F. Saltsman, in Nashville. Saltsman was doing photography in Nashville as early as 1855 and possibly into the 1890s. Hair-same

Hairline-same

Stupid beard-same, except he's let it grow up to his ears His eyebrows-same

His lip line /smile-very, very similar

A curved line between lower lip and his chin-same

To me the nose is the same, a little broader, but he's facing more forward, and so the nose would be naturally broader Let me know what you think.

--Terry

New photograph of Martha Franklin Armfield

From: Terry Martin (muscadinelee@att.net)

To:      jra@adamsj.com; susansnow@laurel-point.net; almon@econ.umd.edu; info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 09:21 AM CDT

John, Susan, Clopper,

Hope all your email addresses still work.

I didn't realized I'd been sitting on this photograph of Martha. It was not labeled like so many others I inherited, and I'd been curious about her. I thought she was a Hillman, although I had Franklin pictures, too. But for some reason the last few days I'd become curious again about her, and then it struck me exactly who she was and compared to the one we know of. Same amazingly wavy hair (I bet you she was a redhead), same facial structure, everything is right. I sent to Kenneth Thomson, Sumner County Historian, and he too is convinced it is she and the best picture he's ever seen of her. And to Lyn Hoyt and others on a private Franklin group on Facebook we have. We're all convinced it's exactly who she is.

On the back it is labeled

"Dear Nannie, Nashville April 1878"

Of course, Nannie is Edward Franklin's wife (from my book, you'll remember, "Love's Young Dream: The Letters of Dr.................................................................................................................................... "

The handwriting also matches extremely well with a sample I have that Kenneth had given me of a short note Martha wrote to Sarah Baber Franklin thirty years earlier. And the photo was part of Nannie's collection of photos that I have inherited.

Martha would have been almost 63 at the time of the photograph. She left for Maryland, as we know, after John Armfield died in 1871, where she had her nieces, Adele and Blanche, two of the Franklin children she had brought up from childhood. But she would come back from time to time to visit. Eventually she returned permanently to Sumner County and was buried in Gallatin in 1904.

It is a larger-sized cabinet card 4 1/4" x 6 3/4" Enjoy.

Regards,

Terry Martin Gallatin

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Re: [EXTERNAL] I have yet another potential image of John Armfield.

From: Joshua Rothman (jrothman@ua.edu) To: muscadinelee@att.net

Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 08:43 AM CDT

Now that one DOES look like him. Wow! Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2024, at 11:17 PM, Terry Martin <muscadinelee@att.net> wrote:

Y'all are going to accuse me of being the boy who cried wolf.

In any event, this unlabeled image is next to an image of Dr. John Washington Franklin in Nannie and Edward's photo album. You could say that if this is Armfield, the two are positioned in the album to, in a way, represent Edward Franklin's two fathers: his actual father, Dr. Franklin, and the father-figure he lived with, Armfield. In addition to the fact we know that Dr. J. W. Franklin and Armfield were good friends and that Dr. J. W. Franklin was Armfield's executor to his estate, I believe?

This image is by T. F. Saltsman, in Nashville. Saltsman was doing photography in Nashville as early as 1855 and possibly into the 1890s. Hair-same

Hairline-same

Stupid beard-same, except he's let it grow up to his ears His eyebrows-same

His lip line /smile-very, very similar

A curved line between lower lip and his chin-same

To me the nose is the same, a little broader, but he's facing more forward, and so the nose would be naturally broader Let me know what you think.

--Terry

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Re: New photograph of Martha Franklin Armfield

From: info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org To: jra@adamsj.com

Cc: muscadinelee@att.net; susansnow@laurel-point.net; almon@econ.umd.edu Date: Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 05:43 PM CDT

Hello Terry,

It's a pleasure to meet you virtually. This is a wonderful find! I am going to check to make sure we have your book in the Beersheba Library and see if we might highlight this in some way to our members in the near future.

Kind regards, Andrew Bowen

On 2024-04-10 09:46, John Adams wrote:

Great find, and thanks for sharing!

The new president of the BSHS, Andrew Bowen, will get this via the "info" address, and Susan's good, too. Clopper's health is failing so he may well not be able to give this any attention.

John

John R. Adams 404-786-0113

jra@adamsj.com

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:21 AM Terry Martin <muscadinelee@att.net> wrote:

John, Susan, Clopper,

Hope all your email addresses still work.

I didn't realized I'd been sitting on this photograph of Martha. It was not labeled like so many others I inherited, and I'd been curious about her. I thought she was a Hillman, although I had Franklin pictures, too. But for some reason the last few days I'd become curious again about her, and then it struck me exactly who she was and compared to the one we know of. Same amazingly wavy hair (I bet you she was a redhead), same facial structure, everything is right. I sent to Kenneth Thomson, Sumner County Historian, and he too is convinced it is she and the best picture he's ever seen of her. And to Lyn Hoyt and others on a private Franklin group on Facebook we have. We're all convinced it's exactly who she is.

On the back it is labeled

"Dear Nannie, Nashville April 1878"

Of course, Nannie is Edward Franklin's wife (from my book, you'll remember, "Love's Young Dream: The Letters of Dr........................................................................................................................... "

The handwriting also matches extremely well with a sample I have that Kenneth had given me of a short note Martha wrote to Sarah Baber Franklin thirty years earlier. And the photo was part of Nannie's collection of photos that I have inherited.

Martha would have been almost 63 at the time of the photograph. She left for Maryland, as we know, after John Armfield died in 1871, where she had her nieces, Adele and Blanche, two of the Franklin children she had brought up from childhood. But she would come back from time to time to visit. Eventually she returned permanently to Sumner County and was buried in Gallatin in 1904.

It is a larger-sized cabinet card 4 1/4" x 6 3/4" Enjoy.

Regards,

Terry Martin Gallatin

615-480-7683

Re: New photograph of Martha Franklin Armfield

From: info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org To: jra@adamsj.com

Cc: muscadinelee@att.net; susansnow@laurel-point.net; almon@econ.umd.edu Date: Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 05:43 PM CDT

Hello Terry,

It's a pleasure to meet you virtually. This is a wonderful find! I am going to check to make sure we have your book in the Beersheba Library and see if we might highlight this in some way to our members in the near future.

Kind regards, Andrew Bowen

On 2024-04-10 09:46, John Adams wrote:

Great find, and thanks for sharing!

The new president of the BSHS, Andrew Bowen, will get this via the "info" address, and Susan's good, too. Clopper's health is failing so he may well not be able to give this any attention.

John

John R. Adams 404-786-0113

jra@adamsj.com

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:21 AM Terry Martin <muscadinelee@att.net> wrote:

John, Susan, Clopper,

Hope all your email addresses still work.

I didn't realized I'd been sitting on this photograph of Martha. It was not labeled like so many others I inherited, and I'd been curious about her. I thought she was a Hillman, although I had Franklin pictures, too. But for some reason the last few days I'd become curious again about her, and then it struck me exactly who she was and compared to the one we know of. Same amazingly wavy hair (I bet you she was a redhead), same facial structure, everything is right. I sent to Kenneth Thomson, Sumner County Historian, and he too is convinced it is she and the best picture he's ever seen of her. And to Lyn Hoyt and others on a private Franklin group on Facebook we have. We're all convinced it's exactly who she is.

On the back it is labeled

"Dear Nannie, Nashville April 1878"

Of course, Nannie is Edward Franklin's wife (from my book, you'll remember, "Love's Young Dream: The Letters of Dr........................................................................................................................... "

The handwriting also matches extremely well with a sample I have that Kenneth had given me of a short note Martha wrote to Sarah Baber Franklin thirty years earlier. And the photo was part of Nannie's collection of photos that I have inherited.

Martha would have been almost 63 at the time of the photograph. She left for Maryland, as we know, after John Armfield died in 1871, where she had her nieces, Adele and Blanche, two of the Franklin children she had brought up from childhood. But she would come back from time to time to visit. Eventually she returned permanently to Sumner County and was buried in Gallatin in 1904.

It is a larger-sized cabinet card 4 1/4" x 6 3/4" Enjoy.

Regards,

Terry Martin Gallatin

615-480-7683

RE: New photograph of Martha Franklin Armfield

From: Susan Snow (susansnow@laurel-point.net)

To: muscadinelee@att.net; jra@adamsj.com; almon@econ.umd.edu; info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:25 PM CDT

Dear Terry,

What an amazing find! Thank you so very much for sharing it.

Lovely photograph. So glad you tracked down the identity and have spent time on your important research. We are thrilled with this news. Keep up the great work!

With appreciation, Susan Snow

From: Terry Martin [mailto:muscadinelee@att.net]

Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 10:21 AM

To: jra@adamsj.com; Susan Snow; almon@econ.umd.edu; info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org

Subject: New photograph of Martha Franklin Armfield

John, Susan, Clopper,

Hope all your email addresses still work.

I didn't realized I'd been sitting on this photograph of Martha. It was not labeled like so many others I inherited, and I'd been curious about her. I thought she was a Hillman, although I had Franklin pictures, too. But for some reason the last few days I'd become curious again about her, and then it struck me exactly who she was and compared to the one we know of. Same amazingly wavy hair (I bet you she was a redhead), same facial structure, everything is right. I sent to Kenneth Thomson, Sumner County Historian, and he too is convinced it is she and the best picture he's ever seen of her. And to Lyn Hoyt and others on a private Franklin group on Facebook we have. We're all convinced it's exactly who she is.

On the back it is labeled

"Dear Nannie, Nashville April 1878"

Of course, Nannie is Edward Franklin's wife (from my book, you'll remember, "Love's Young Dream: The Letters of Dr.................................................................................................................................................................. "

The handwriting also matches extremely well with a sample I have that Kenneth had given me of a short note Martha wrote to Sarah Baber Franklin thirty years earlier.

And the photo was part of Nannie's collection of photos that I have inherited.

Martha would have been almost 63 at the time of the photograph. She left for Maryland, as we know, after John Armfield died in 1871, where she had her nieces, Adele and Blanche, two of the Franklin children she had brought up from childhood. But she would come back from time to time to visit. Eventually she returned permanently to Sumner County and was buried in Gallatin in 1904.

It is a larger-sized cabinet card 4 1/4" x 6 3/4"

Enjoy.

Regards,

Terry Martin Gallatin

615-480-7683

Re: New photograph of Martha Franklin Armfield

From: John Adams (jra@adamsj.com) To: muscadinelee@att.net

Cc: susansnow@laurel-point.net; almon@econ.umd.edu; info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 09:46 AM CDT

Great find, and thanks for sharing!

The new president of the BSHS, Andrew Bowen, will get this via the "info" address, and Susan's good, too. Clopper's health is failing so he may well not be able to give this any attention.

John

John R. Adams 404-786-0113

jra@adamsj.com

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:21 AM Terry Martin <muscadinelee@att.net> wrote:

John, Susan, Clopper,

Hope all your email addresses still work.

I didn't realized I'd been sitting on this photograph of Martha. It was not labeled like so many others I inherited, and I'd been curious about her. I thought she was a Hillman, although I had Franklin pictures, too. But for some reason the last few days I'd become curious again about her, and then it struck me exactly who she was and compared to the one we know of. Same amazingly wavy hair (I bet you she was a redhead), same facial structure, everything is right. I sent to Kenneth Thomson, Sumner County Historian, and he too is convinced it is she and the best picture he's ever seen of her. And to Lyn Hoyt and others on a private Franklin group on Facebook we have. We're all convinced it's exactly who she is.

On the back it is labeled

"Dear Nannie, Nashville April 1878"

Of course, Nannie is Edward Franklin's wife (from my book, you'll remember, "Love's Young Dream: The Letters of Dr............................................................................................................................. "

The handwriting also matches extremely well with a sample I have that Kenneth had given me of a short note Martha wrote to Sarah Baber Franklin thirty years earlier. And the photo was part of Nannie's collection of photos that I have inherited.

Martha would have been almost 63 at the time of the photograph. She left for Maryland, as we know, after John Armfield died in 1871, where she had her nieces, Adele and Blanche, two of the Franklin children she had brought up from childhood. But she would come back from time to time to visit. Eventually she returned permanently to Sumner County and was buried in Gallatin in 1904.

It is a larger-sized cabinet card 4 1/4" x 6 3/4" Enjoy.

Regards,

Terry Martin Gallatin

615-480-7683

Re: We believe we have an image of John Armfield, too.

From: Susan Snow (susansnow@laurel-point.net) To: muscadinelee@att.net

Cc: info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org; jra@adamsj.com Date: Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 08:24 PM CDT

Wow, Terry. Very exciting.

On Apr 18, 2024, at 4:37 PM, Terry Martin <muscadinelee@att.net> wrote:

Andrew, Susan, John,

We believe we have a new image of John Armfield, also.

Dr. Joshua Rothman (Ledger and the Chain...), Kenneth Thomson (Sumner County Historian), Lyn Franklin Hoyt, and I are all convinced it is he. And for what it's worth, I placed the two images side by side on my Facebook page for a day, the image of Armfield that we know, and the new image, and 12 out of 14 who bothered to comment believe they are the same person (without knowing the one was Armfield).

This image comes from an antique photo album currently belonging to my uncle here in Gallatin. The album belonged to Nannie and Edward Franklin, Edward (my gg-grandfather), being one of the Franklin children raised by the Armfields. The album is full of photos of family and friends, all from the 1800s.

In the album it was positioned to the left of an image of his friend, Dr. John Washington Franklin (Edward's real father), who was also executor to Armfield's estate. In a way, they are likely positioned to represent both Edward's real father and the father figure he lived with, Armfield.

The new image is by T. F. Saltsman, a Nashville photographer, and Kenneth believes the image was made between 1866-1868. He says the earlier image (the one usually published in books) is reproduced from an original daguerreotype from the late 1840s.

My images of the old side-by-side of John and Martha are not the best. I had snapped them with my phone camera while visiting Peg Williams at the Armfield house in Beersheba years ago with Lyn and Kenneth, the one hanging on the wall in the hall framed behind glass.

I wonder who has the original daguerreotypes of John and Martha. Were they first published by Howell? Pictures:

1.  New image of Armfield

2.  Rear of new image of Armfield

3.  Side by side comparison of the old image and the new image

4.  Composite of old and new, John and Martha.

Regards,

Terry Martin 615-480-7683

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We believe we have an image of John Armfield, too.

From: Terry Martin (muscadinelee@att.net)

To:      info@beershebaspringshistoricalsociety.org; jra@adamsj.com; susansnow@laurel-point.net Date: Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 03:36 PM CDT

Andrew, Susan, John,

We believe we have a new image of John Armfield, also.

Dr. Joshua Rothman (Ledger and the Chain...), Kenneth Thomson (Sumner County Historian), Lyn Franklin Hoyt, and I are all convinced it is he. And for what it's worth, I placed the two images side by side on my Facebook page for a day, the image of Armfield that we know, and the new image, and 12 out of 14 who bothered to comment believe they are the same person (without knowing the one was Armfield).

This image comes from an antique photo album currently belonging to my uncle here in Gallatin. The album belonged to Nannie and Edward Franklin, Edward (my gg- grandfather), being one of the Franklin children raised by the Armfields. The album is full of photos of family and friends, all from the 1800s.

In the album it was positioned to the left of an image of his friend, Dr. John Washington Franklin (Edward's real father), who was also executor to Armfield's estate. In a way, they are likely positioned to represent both Edward's real father and the father figure he lived with, Armfield.

The new image is by T. F. Saltsman, a Nashville photographer, and Kenneth believes the image was made between 1866-1868. He says the earlier image (the one usually published in books) is reproduced from an original daguerreotype from the late 1840s.

My images of the old side-by-side of John and Martha are not the best. I had snapped them with my phone camera while visiting Peg Williams at the Armfield house in Beersheba years ago with Lyn and Kenneth, the one hanging on the wall in the hall framed behind glass.

I wonder who has the original daguerreotypes of John and Martha. Were they first published by Howell? Pictures:

1.  New image of Armfield

2.  Rear of new image of Armfield

3.  Side by side comparison of the old image and the new image

4.  Composite of old and new, John and Martha.

Regards,

Terry Martin 615-480-7683

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